I like the look of the Baratza Vario, and the grinds I have enjoyed from it seemed to be great. Now these were fine grinds for espresso though, not coarse grinds for press or metal filter brewing.  Let me start off by saying I do not own one of these machines (never say never, right?) but I do have a bit of envy for those who do.  Now, I have grinders for espresso so even though I appreciate the Vario, I am not envious of it for that application.

My envy stems from the new metal burrs from Ditting that owners of the Vario can purchase from Baratza and install in place of the ceramic burrs that come standard. now these flat burrs can create coarse grinds up to a point, and are a marvel to behold. Being created for the Vario by Mahlkonig is a plus too for me since that company can make a burr set.  If only I had a flat burr grinder like the Vario with those snazzy coarse grinding Ditting burrs I thought.

Then it hit me - I might already have something like that sitting around in my coffee tool chest!  I am not sure if the burrs are identical, but Mahlkonig and Ditting are essentially the same company now, and I do have a set of metal Mahlkonig burrs sitting in my K30 grinder.  They are a little bit larger than the ones that fit the Baratza Vario but are metal and maybe can grind coarse.  Time to find out!

I opened up the K30 and gave that burr one full turn coarser and put the lid back on. It takes removing only one screw and about a minute of my time - so it's very easy to do and undo as well. So this machine is capable of grinding OK for coarse metal filter too - I made a cup using a pour over cone and a Swiss Gold filter - the photo shows what was left in the glass from 16g of grounds (four second grinding time for anyone keeping score at home).

 

 

 

Now full disclosure time - in my haste I did not clean or purge the grinder chute so I know some stay espresso fines made it into the cup - the top half of the grind pile is cleaner than the bottom (first out) half. I expect cup number to to be even more consistent and will be a hair less coarse as well.

 

 

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Submitted by jbviau on
Burr-ology seems to be equal parts science and mysticism; I read forum comments by wiser coffee peeps than I who admit they don't fully understand why one set works better than another. So, more power to you--you could be on to something. That said, I don't really get the hype that's being built up around these Vario replacement burrs. For much less than the price of a Vario alone you can get yourself in the ballpark. I've informally compared the press grind quality of a Mahlkonig Tanzania to that of my Preciso and not seen or tasted much difference, if any. Also, OE's sieve study showed the LIDO beating a Ditting with respect to fines production on a few coarser settings. Think I'll save my pennies for now!

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>only with a K30 can you truly enjoy the perfect metal filter cup of coffee - that is my story and I am sticking to it! <br> seriously, I think a lot of the methods we use (flat or conical burr) are pretty close in the end - look at the uniformity of grind in a Nespresso capsule - I think they use roller grinders and I bet they sieve what they get out of the other end of the grinder as well - beans are hard, relatively brittle, and pieces will fly off randomly sized when metal touches them violently no matter what the shape of the metal.

Submitted by PaulB on
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In four seconds?!?! That is some serious grinding. Since jb said he couldn't tell the difference between a preciso and a Tanzania, you should test it against the preciso, which would the. Tell us if yu have discovered the true sleeper über cupping grinder. (tough to only get four cups rom a bot or spammer)

Submitted by donnedonne on
People have praised the metal Vario burrs but I've yet to see anyone compare them directly to the Preciso...I'm curious how they stack up for coarse grinding

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>Thanks for the grocery yips - should help someone out there save a buck - this grinder will not, like your shopping tips save any one anything at all.

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>I know right? Only 4 cups for this piece of solid gold, lol. I did this between ten and eleven last night with no decaf on hand so the experiment was limited - I am lucky I got to sleep at all. I will be comparing it more this weekend for sure!

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>Exactly - the metal burrs make the Vario a better coarse grinder - but better than what? The Preciso might already beat out what the Vario can do with coarse grinding and the metal burrs might only even things out at the expense of espresso range - this K30 won't grind for espresso the way it is currently set up.

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>I figured it would do OK, but no better than a Super Jolly probably if someone decided drip was all it would be asked to do. These grinders along with the mazzers and compaks don't see drip or press often since cheaper grinders can go a nice job - overkill I guess. Still fun to extrapolate what someone with a vario might expect with the metal burrs - a decent drip or press grind is my guess based on this experiment.

Submitted by GmanJenks on
Eric, thank you for using your over flowing equipment closet for experimentation that could benefit us all. Of course, I don't understand why it has taken this long for you to spend some time on press / drip experiments. I have been forced to spend way too much time reading about espresso not learning anything I can try and apply, lol.

Submitted by EricBNC on
<br>you can thank the Able Disc Fine for my renewed interest in manual brewing sans paper filter - there isn't a lot of grinder info out there (or grinders) which helps explain the success of the OE Lido and Baratza Preciso as jbviau can attest. : )

My New Coarse Grinder!

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I like the look of the Baratza Vario, and the grinds I have enjoyed from it seemed to be great. Now these were fine grinds for espresso though, not coarse grinds for press or metal filter brewing.  Let me start off by saying I do not own one of these machines (never say never, right?) but I do have a bit of envy for those who do.  Now, I have grinders for espresso so even though I appreciate the Vario, I am not envious of it for that application.

My envy stems from the new metal burrs from Ditting that owners of the Vario can purchase from Baratza and install in place of the ceramic burrs that come standard. now these flat burrs can create coarse grinds up to a point, and are a marvel to behold. Being created for the Vario by Mahlkonig is a plus too for me since that company can make a burr set.  If only I had a flat burr grinder like the Vario with those snazzy coarse grinding Ditting burrs I thought.

Then it hit me - I might already have something like that sitting around in my coffee tool chest!  I am not sure if the burrs are identical, but Mahlkonig and Ditting are essentially the same company now, and I do have a set of metal Mahlkonig burrs sitting in my K30 grinder.  They are a little bit larger than the ones that fit the Baratza Vario but are metal and maybe can grind coarse.  Time to find out!

I opened up the K30 and gave that burr one full turn coarser and put the lid back on. It takes removing only one screw and about a minute of my time - so it's very easy to do and undo as well. So this machine is capable of grinding OK for coarse metal filter too - I made a cup using a pour over cone and a Swiss Gold filter - the photo shows what was left in the glass from 16g of grounds (four second grinding time for anyone keeping score at home).

 

 

 

Now full disclosure time - in my haste I did not clean or purge the grinder chute so I know some stay espresso fines made it into the cup - the top half of the grind pile is cleaner than the bottom (first out) half. I expect cup number to to be even more consistent and will be a hair less coarse as well.

 

 

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@Gman

April 21, 2012 | by EricBNC


you can thank the Able Disc Fine for my renewed interest in manual brewing sans paper filter - there isn't a lot of grinder info out there (or grinders) which helps explain the success of the OE Lido and Baratza Preciso as jbviau can attest. : )

Eric, thank you for using

April 21, 2012 | by GmanJenks

Eric, thank you for using your over flowing equipment closet for experimentation that could benefit us all. Of course, I don't understand why it has taken this long for you to spend some time on press / drip experiments. I have been forced to spend way too much time reading about espresso not learning anything I can try and apply, lol.

@son ton

April 20, 2012 | by EricBNC


I figured it would do OK, but no better than a Super Jolly probably if someone decided drip was all it would be asked to do. These grinders along with the mazzers and compaks don't see drip or press often since cheaper grinders can go a nice job - overkill I guess. Still fun to extrapolate what someone with a vario might expect with the metal burrs - a decent drip or press grind is my guess based on this experiment.

more use for your expensive grinder?

April 20, 2012 | by sontondaman

It is great that you now discover more use for your expensive grinder :-) Seriously, it is a nice grinder you have and I'm not surprise that it does well with drip grind.

@Broseph

April 20, 2012 | by EricBNC


Exactly - the metal burrs make the Vario a better coarse grinder - but better than what? The Preciso might already beat out what the Vario can do with coarse grinding and the metal burrs might only even things out at the expense of espresso range - this K30 won't grind for espresso the way it is currently set up.

@intrepid

April 20, 2012 | by EricBNC


I know right? Only 4 cups for this piece of solid gold, lol. I did this between ten and eleven last night with no decaf on hand so the experiment was limited - I am lucky I got to sleep at all. I will be comparing it more this weekend for sure!

@Paul

April 20, 2012 | by EricBNC


Thanks for the grocery yips - should help someone out there save a buck - this grinder will not, like your shopping tips save any one anything at all.

People have praised the

April 20, 2012 | by donnedonne

People have praised the metal Vario burrs but I've yet to see anyone compare them directly to the Preciso...I'm curious how they stack up for coarse grinding

In four seconds?!?! That is

April 20, 2012 | by intrepid510

In four seconds?!?! That is some serious grinding. Since jb said he couldn't tell the difference between a preciso and a Tanzania, you should test it against the preciso, which would the. Tell us if yu have discovered the true sleeper über cupping grinder. (tough to only get four cups rom a bot or spammer)

Grocery Costs

April 20, 2012 | by PaulB

Fresh fruits and vegetables can be had very cheaply for three seasons a year, but only if you are careful about shopping. Produce could be a very healthy and very inexpensive, if you're prepared to do a bit of shopping. Article source: Four ways to cut down on your produce costs. If you really want to save a lot of money on groceries, you should try buying at a local store near you. There are a lot of inexpensive things that you can buy at a local store plus the owner may give you discounts.

@penny pincher

April 19, 2012 | by EricBNC


only with a K30 can you truly enjoy the perfect metal filter cup of coffee - that is my story and I am sticking to it!
seriously, I think a lot of the methods we use (flat or conical burr) are pretty close in the end - look at the uniformity of grind in a Nespresso capsule - I think they use roller grinders and I bet they sieve what they get out of the other end of the grinder as well - beans are hard, relatively brittle, and pieces will fly off randomly sized when metal touches them violently no matter what the shape of the metal.

Well there you go

April 19, 2012 | by jbviau

Burr-ology seems to be equal parts science and mysticism; I read forum comments by wiser coffee peeps than I who admit they don't fully understand why one set works better than another. So, more power to you--you could be on to something. That said, I don't really get the hype that's being built up around these Vario replacement burrs. For much less than the price of a Vario alone you can get yourself in the ballpark. I've informally compared the press grind quality of a Mahlkonig Tanzania to that of my Preciso and not seen or tasted much difference, if any. Also, OE's sieve study showed the LIDO beating a Ditting with respect to fines production on a few coarser settings. Think I'll save my pennies for now!

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